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Only Labour offers certainty on Europe

Ed Miliband, leader of the Labour Party

● Labour leader, Ed Miliband: if you are pro-EU what other choice is there?

If you are pro-EU, what other choice is there, really?

Opinion piece by Jon Danzig

Today, Britain votes on its next government in the most tightly-contested election in living memory.

Tomorrow, all citizens from the rest of Europe now living in the UK, and all citizens from Britain now living in the rest of Europe, can only hope for one outcome if they want to continue enjoying where they currently reside. 

Why?  Because unless Ed Miliband, leader of the Labour Party, is handed the keys to number 10 Downing Street, the traditional home of all UK Prime Ministers, the future of Britain in Europe; of Britons in Europe, and of Europeans in Britain, will be in doubt for at least a year or two, and maybe forever. 

Only the Labour Party has promised no referendum in the next five years (unless there are plans for a transfer of more powers to the EU – which is extremely unlikely in the course of the next Parliament).

Rightly in my opinion, Labour’s policy is that Britain should now be concentrating on re-building our economy, reducing our deficit, and strengthening our ties with Europe and our European allies. 

A referendum on whether the UK should stay in the EU will be an unnecessary distraction at a time when the country needs to keep its eyes on a more important prize: the well-being of ordinary, every-day citizens living in the UK.

The Conservative Party has promised an in-out EU referendum within the next two years if the party is elected to be the next government.   Although the party’s leader, David Cameron, says he wants the UK to stay a member, some Eurosceptics in the party state that most Conservative prospective MPs want the UK to leave the EU.  Furthermore, David Cameron’s proposals for EU reform would entail an EU treaty change requiring the agreement of all 28 EU members.  That would likely be impossible to achieve within two years, even if all the other 27 EU members agreed with Mr Cameron’s reform proposals (which they don’t).

If UKIP do well in the General Election and agree an alliance or coalition with the Conservatives to form a government, they have said they will demand as the price of co-operation a referendum before Christmas.  Such a hasty and premature referendum date would plunge the country and its economic progress into turmoil. 

The Lib-Dems, who like UKIP don’t have a chance to become the next government, swing both ways.  The party has said they are staunchly pro-EU, and they’d be happy to form a coalition with Labour (with a few red-lined caveats) and would willingly accept Labour’s stance of no referendum.  But the Lib-Dems are also happy to go to bed with the Tories – and although they’ve lipped their opposition to an EU referendum by 2017, this isn’t one of their red-lined pre-nuptial clauses.  As The Guardian commented yesterday, the Lib-Dem leader, Nick Clegg, may see an EU referendum “as the price he must pay to form a government.”

The SNP are also staunchly pro-Union – European, that is, rather than the Union of the United Kingdom.  Wanting to retain one union but undo another is not in the best interests of the UK or Europe.  Labour has ruled out a coalition or deal with the SNP, meaning that the more seats SNP gains, the less chance Labour has of forming a majority government and thereby preventing a possible fast-track exit from the EU.  In addition, the more seats won by the SNP, the more chance that the Eurosceptic Conservative party will win power.  The SNP cannot form a government for the entire UK.   The Labour party is the only pro-EU party that could form a government for all of Great Britain.

Only Labour offers Britain the chance to retain our membership of the European Union for the duration of the next Parliament, with a mission to concentrate our earnest efforts on building our economy as a member of the world’s biggest, richest economy (the EU), rather than throwing the country into two years of confusion and bickering on whether we should leave it, and with the greatest risk that we actually will. 

Furthermore, only Labour is likely to win concessions and reforms across the EU by working together with our EU allies, rather than threatening to turn our backs on them.

    • If you are pro-EU and traditionally vote Labour, then your only choice is to vote Labour again.
    • If you are pro-EU and traditionally a Conservative, then please, grit your teeth, vote Labour this time, in the interests of the country and our membership of the EU.
    • If you are pro-EU and a Lib-Dem, unfortunately, your party hasn’t red-lined its opposition to an EU referendum; only a vote for Labour will ensure a safe distance from an EU exit.
    • If you are pro-EU and an SNP supporter, please vote this time for a horizon wider than the highlands or lowlands: vote Labour to ensure our continued place in Europe.   

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27 Responses to Only Labour offers certainty on Europe

  1. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    The problem you have is that the last polling I have seen suggests that more than 8/10 of the UK population want a referendum on our remaining within the EU.

    Some of those may well wish to remain in the EU, but nevertheless require that their voice is heard.
    Simply suggesting that UK citizens vote for a party that does not wish to hold a referendum is intellectually sweeping the dust under the carpet.

    As your view is that EU membership is vital to the future prosperity of the UK, a view that I profoundly disagree with, I would suggest that you should be calling for a referendum as fast as possible, because it is going to happen, and within a reasonably short timescale, the 8/10 will not go away.

    Any delay simply allows resentment to grow, whilst simultaneously the greatest symbol of EU hubris staggers from crisis to stagnation and back to crisis.

    A Labour govt ensures only that the referendum is shelved, not forgotten, in the meantime a bruised Conservative Party under a new leader is guaranteed to be considerably more Euro sceptic than the edifice that is standing for election today, you should be praying they win I would suggest.

    The reason you wish to defer, delay or forbid a referendum is simple, the argument for staying within the EU is simply not strong enough to withstand scrutiny, not in the UK, and increasingly in many other countries within this political Union.

  2. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Actually, I believe that a referendum will be required eventually, and that – as opinion polls now suggest – the electorate will vote for Britain’s continued membership. My opinion, however, is that this is not the right time for a referendum, and that it will create unnecessary upheaval and uncertainty at a time when we should be concentrating our efforts on re-building the country’s economy.

  3. avatar Scots For EU says:

    I think you’re missing a trick by calling on SNP voters to vote Labour.

    The SNP is one of the more pro-EU parties operating in the UK, as evidenced by their continuing opposition to a EU referendum, their proposed double-lock on a EU referendum wherein all UK ‘nations’ would have to vote to leave the EU before it could take place, and the continuing work of the current Scottish Government in promoting the benefits of EU membership to Scotland, most recently in their report ‘The benefits of Scotland’s EU membership’.

    I can understand why you would back Labour in the rest of the UK, in terms of Europe, they are the best bet for maintaining membership and avoiding a referendum on the subject altogether. But in Scotland, the SNP are a viable alternative that are just as pro-EU.

    As the SNP have ruled out working with the Conservatives, they do not take votes away from another pro-EU party. Even if they took all 41 of Labour’s current seats in Scotland, the amount of anti-Tory MP’s stays the same. The only danger is if Labour decided that it will not even deal with the SNP on a vote-by-vote basis. This is incredibly unlikely as it would either involved triggering another referendum, or Labour would need to abstain when the SNP voted against a Conservative government. Neither of these scenarios are good for the Labour party.

    And your stance ignores one other thing about the situation in Scotland – there were 11 Lib Dem MPs in Scotland in from 2010-2015. In most of these seats either Labour or the Conservatives were a distant second or third. Current polling shows only the SNP can take these seats from the Lib Dems. As you yourself have said, the Lib Dems haven’t red-lined the EU as an issue in propping up a Conservative government. Surely you should back the SNP in these seats at least?

    If you are making a decision purely based on the EU credentials of the parties, there really is no reason to rule out the SNP in Scotland.

  4. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    The opinion polls suggest that without significant changes to the EU, the majority will vote quite correctly in my opinion to exit the EU. Amendments that will require treaty change at the least, something that the EU cannot consider as they grapple with an existential threat in the Euro-zone.

    Treaty change requires referenda within not just the UK but within many other EU Nations, referenda that may challenge the very existence of this hugely flawed Political Union.

    So, you recommend that citizens vote in order to kick the can down the road, the alternative, a genuine interrogation of your beliefs is frightening, because your foundations are not firm, your evidence nuanced beyond the point of belief.

    Had the Conservative PM fulfilled his promise and allowed an EU referendum after the EU Constitution was renamed the Lisbon Treaty, in all likelihood he would have won, but he did not do so, he ran away from the pledge.

    Had the Lib Dems pushed the referendum, their campaign literature was clear on this, it was ‘vital’, they too could have won the argument. Had the Labour Party fulfilled their pledge and allowed the British to vote on EU membership before signing the Lisbon Treaty, they could have won.
    But of course as we all know they did not.

    Even then, they knew, as I suspect you do too, that the argument for the EU is indefensable, it makes no sense at all, it has failed and continues to fail, there are no green shoots, no rays of sunrise in a new dawn of prosperity.

    Now, it is inescapable that the EU fails on every level, it’s greatest achievement the Euro staggers from crisis to stagnation, and very soon will return to crisis, any advantages it could claim live in the shadow of this disastrous example of hubris.

    The sooner you get the referendum, the better for your point of view, the longer it is delayed, then the more resounding the rejection. And consider this, the UK outside of the EU will not collapse, there will be no exodus of companies, no mass unemployment.

    We know this because we were repeatedly told that this would happen if the UK did not abandon our sovereign currency and join the Euro, thank God we did not, the result is clear.

    Inward foreign investment into the UK is larger than the total inward investment within the Euro Zone. 62% of foreign non EU investors, Asians and Americans, those that actually do start up companies and have growing economies think that if the UK was not subject to EU environmental and social policies they would invest more, more employment, more GDP, more productivity which is far more to the point.

    You should be frightened of a referendum, I understand that, but the longer you suggest the referendum should be denied, the more evidence you place in my hands, the less you can hope to win.
    And, it will happen, 8/10 demand it.

  5. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Roy Jacobs, thank you for your contribution. I am not frightened of a referendum. I believe that if there is a referendum, the pro-EU lobby can win it. If you are against the EU, then I’d suggest that voting Conservative is the best option, as only the Conservatives can both – both – promise and deliver an EU referendum. I also believe an EU referendum is going to be inevitable at some stage.

    However, my blog was directed at those who are pro-EU; many of us who are pro-EU cannot see a need for a referendum, and certainly not one organised by a party many of whose MPs, if not most, seem to be against Britain’s continued membership of the EU. If, as you say, most people want an EU referendum, then how come opinion polls for both main parties show that support is neck and neck, with no clear winner? You’d think that if an EU referendum was so important to the electorate, then the Conservatives would be many points ahead of Labour in the polls. They are not.

    I am a democrat, so will go with the democratic will of the people. I don’t think I can say fairer than that.

    Regarding my arguments for wanting the UK to stay in the EU, I have published here and on other blogs the many evidence-based reasons why our continued membership of the EU is in the best interests of the country. I understand you disagree. That’s why we’ve been having a debate, and that’s why we have elections.

  6. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Scots for EU, thanks for contributing to this debate, and I welcome your response. I have already recognised that the SNP is pro-EU and I agree with many of the SNP’s social policies. However, the simple fact is that the more seats won by the staunchly pro-EU SNP, the less chance that Labour has of forming a majority government, and the more chance that the staunchly anti-EU Conservatives form the next government, striding us forward to a possible EU exit.

  7. avatar Grahame Pigney says:

    As a very pro-EU UK citizen, and as somebody who is resident in France I welcome the idea of a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. It will not be an easy debate, given the complacency and incompetence of the political parties over the past 40 years nor will it be a party orientated contest as Jon Danzig suggests.

    The problem is exactly as Roy Jacobs suggests, at the moment the argument for staying in the EU will not withstand scrutiny. It is not a party political argument, it is simply that the UK public does not know and appreciate what the EU does for them in their everyday like.

    Winning the EU membership debate is not a party political exercise to win a UK General Election.

  8. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Thank you for your contribution, Grahame. We’ve agreed to disagree. Whoever wins today’s election will make a huge difference to Britain’s future – or otherwise – in the EU, in my opinion. The party politics will dictate whether the UK has a referendum, and if so, when, and under what terms. So, in my view, the party politics are key to this.. However, despite that, of course I hope the British people will rise above the national politics to consider the broader view of our membership of the EU. So, in summary, whether or not we have a referendum and when, that’s down to party politics. The actual referendum itself, when it happens, we hope will not be party political.

  9. avatar Ferdinand Goetzen says:

    I feel that it is not time for a referendum just now. if it happens, then I will fight all the more for our continued membership. Either way I will be doing so.

    I don’t think the 2 years of uncertainty will do the UK any good though.

  10. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    Thank you for your reply Jon.

    As we can now see the polls were flawed, the outcome of the vote is a Tory majority.
    I would not suggest that Labours refusal to grant a referendum on EU membership was the main cause of their very poor showing, but I am quite certain it had an affect.

    There now will be renegotiation handled by a Government holding a majority, followed by a referendum.
    A Government with a strong EU scepticism inherent in it.

    And please remember, the Euro zones biggest customer is not China, not Japan, not India, not the USA, it is the UK. In business the customer is king, we hold the whip hand, threats may work with Greece or Italy, they will not work with the UK.

    Political Union is an unacceptable price for free trade, for members of the disastrous common currency it may be different, but we are not part of that nonsensical example of hubris and incompetence.

  11. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    The parties that are broadly Euro sceptic or completely against the EU, the Conservative Party and UKIP between them received 50% of the vote, that is the poll that counts Jon.

    The two parties that refused to countenance a referendum, Labour and the Lib Dems have been rejected in a manner that was completely unforeseen.

    Attention will soon turn to the renegotiation, the terms of the negotiation and who will be heading the negotiations. It will be impossible for the PM to return from the negotiations with flimsy amendments to benefits, that will be nowhere near enough.

    A large and growing number of the British are beginning to understand that the entire concept of Political Union is nonsensical, the entire construct inherently undemocratic, the institutions remote and unaccountable, the costs of maintaining it excessive, the policies it clings to in the areas of social and environmental regulation costly to both employers, business and citizens, it’s greatest achievement the Euro a disaster.

    We have in the UK a vibrant democracy, it has served us very well, we reward or punish our political parties based upon our perception of their value. The EU, and the Commission in particular, does not appear to have considered that it too will be subjected to rigorous and critical scrutiny.

    It better get used to the idea, the next two years will not be pleasant for those that have for far too long assumed the mantle of leaders, without any democratic legitimacy.

  12. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Thank you for your further contribution, Roy Jacobs. Please share how you calculated that the Conservatives and UKIP received 50% of the vote? I am still calculating this and will report separately later.

    The European Commission is beholden to the democratically elected European Parliament, which has the democratic authority to dismiss the entire Commission. Unfortunately, the UK media are not good at adequately reporting the democratic workings of the EU. You’ll no doubt be telling me next that the European Union accounts have never been signed off by the independent auditors – another myth propagated by the media.

    I believe that in a properly run referendum campaign, our electorate will come to understand and appreciate much more about the value and workings of the European Union. Let’s see. I will now welcome a referendum that will hopefully settle this issue for at least a generation.

    PS Not all Conservative voters are against the EU; indeed, David Cameron has stated he wants Britain to stay a member.

  13. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    Hi Jon.
    These are the figures from the BBC election results site.
    UK vote share after 650 of 650 seats

    Party %
    CON 36.9
    LAB 30.4
    UKIP 12.6
    LD 7.9
    SNP 4.7
    GRN 3.8

    You can find them here http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32633099

    Yes I am quite aware that the European Parliament has the right to dismiss the Commission, indeed it has happened, once, when the corruption within the Commission was so obscene that the Parliament was forced to act.

    But, that does not mean that the demos, we the public have the right to elect or dismiss the Commisioners, hence the democratic deficit.

    Our previous Commissioner Baroness Ashton for example has never been elected to anything in her entire life, never elected as a Councillor, an MP, an MEP, never elected by anyone to anything.
    In fact if you were to imagine that the EU was a country, it would not be allowed to join the EU as it’s democratic systems would disallow it from membership.

    I have looked at the issue of the EU and the transparency of its accounts, it seems an odd system whereby the auditors are employees of the institution that they are investigating, in the corporate world this is illegal.

    What I do remember though was attending a debate in London concerning the UK remaining within the EU. The speakers were Daniel Hannan and Nigel Farage (both ‘MEP’s) speaking against membership, Leon Brittan an ex Commisioner of the EU and a charming German woman from an influential London pro EU think tank speaking to retain membership.

    The question of audited accounts was asked by someone in the audience, Leon Brittany made no attempt to suggest they had been, the German lady thought it disgraceful that they were not.

    Incidentally, the audience of approx 1000 were polled on entering and again after the debate. On entry around 40% were pro the UK remaining within the EU, around 30% against and around 30% undecided. After the debate, around 40% wished to remain within, around 55% wished to leave, with 5% undecided.

    Early in the debate a show of hands was asked for, put your hand up if you know the name of your MEP, the number were less than 10, out of 1000, people that had made the effort to attend and were presumably interested in the subject and engaged, hence my belief that it is remote.

    I am sure the debate is available online, I will forward you a link if I can find it.

  14. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    Hi Jon
    The debate I mentioned can be found here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TyVaT9iO5ko
    It was very interesting.

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  16. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ad2cc7a2-f599-11e4-bc6d-00144feab7de.html#ixzz3ZdO5ycED

    These concerns were echoed by Gianni Pitella, the leader of the Socialists in the European parliament, who called on Mr Cameron “to sideline the extremist anti-europeans in his party”. “We will not accept any blackmail,” he said.

    Above all Mr Cameron’s partners are hoping the Tory majority will not give rise to unrealistic expectations. Existing Tory manifesto promises to curb benefit rights of EU migrants — which Mr Cameron has been told will require treaty change — are already a seen as a tall order.

    “There is a limit to how far we are willing to go — and we’re on the UK side. We’re not looking for treaty change,” said one senior EU official. “But the reforms we back will be for Britain, not a favour to the leader of a party trying manage his rebels. He must be careful, he can’t let emotion get the better of him and ask for too much because the continent is fed up.”

    It is really quite extraordinary how removed these officials are from reality, how little they understand of the democratic process, and how completely irrelevant their views are to the conversation we are about to embark on.

    So let me introduce them to the realities, and remind them how a vibrant Democracy works.

    The PM will draw up the terms of his negotiations, he will do this having consulted with his cabinet colleagues, and crucially after consultation with the 1922 committee of back bench MP’s, who in turn will have gained feedback from their constituency party and electorate. As part of this process the government will also have consulted with our partners in Europe, the democratically elected Governments of sovereign governments.

    The views of Socialist leaders of the EU Parliament and unelected officials of the EU will feature very low in any decision made on the timetable of the negotiations, nor the terms.

    It should also be clear, whilst renegotiation of Treaties, returns of Competencies, the primacy of the European Court, CAP and CFP may well be unwelcome within the EU, that is not going to mean these issues will not be raised. It is precisely because these issues are an unwelcome infringement on our Sovereignty that they will be raised and a reasonable renegotiation sought.

    The Government of the UK has a mandate to discuss these issues, indeed a duty to do so, there is growing consternation within the UK,and elsewhere in Europe at the entire construct of a Political Union.

    I fear that such is the conceit and sense of entitlement within the Commission and EU institutions that they will completely misread what these negotiations will actually mean.

    They are not to find an easily digested compromise that suits the EU project that can be sold to the UK public as it was 40 years ago.

    There is much, much, more at stake here.

  17. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Thank you for your further comments, Roy Jacobs. I want Britain to stay a member of the European Union. I understand there are flaws with the Union (although I don’t agree with all you have written), but we are the European Union, and so we participate in what it has become and what it is to become. We will not be able to do so as an ex-member, looking on the sidelines. I want to see Britain lead the EU, and not leave it. I hope for a good debate and referendum.

  18. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    From your article.

    “Only the Labour Party has promised no referendum in the next five years (unless there are plans for a transfer of more powers to the EU – which is extremely unlikely in the course of the next Parliament).”

    This is not accurate, the point that a referendum would be enacted only when there are treaty changes is obscured. More powers are transferred every day, you know that, so do I, every law passed, every ruling from Luxembourg transfers powers. Due to the crisis within the EZ, easily foreseen, a large number of actions have been allowed that fall way outside or contradict EU treaties.

    The EU Commission have allowed and endorsed a tax on savers within the banking system in Cyprus, no democratic legitimacy. As a depositor, saver, within the EU 60% of the balance in an individual’s account was removed! as a tax to prop up private banks irrational lending.. How do you defend that? Honestly.

    How can you accept the idea that 2 elected governments were decapitated in order that a flawed Monetey Union should be given another chance to stagger into disaster. I can give you. 3 links, the New Stesman, the Ecnomist and the Spectator, a more disparate group is unimaginable, yet each considers the action worrying at the least.

    The cost of the Euro is unacceptable, speak to EU citizens and that will become clear, the required solutions to propping it up will become even more unacceptable, delaying a debate will lead to continuing disefrantchisemn.

    We as a European populace need to, respect our institutions, change them where required, bring our democracies closer to the people, accept. That national interests do not equate to dangerous nationalism.

    It’s all very simple.
    .

  19. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    “we are the European Union, and so we participate in what it has become and what it is to become. We will not be able to do so as an ex-member, looking on the sidelines. I want to see Britain lead the EU, and not leave it. I hope for a good debate and referendum.”

    There is no need to become an ex member, nor to accept that membership requires slavish acceptance to it.

    The EU requires major, fundamental changes, which appear to be unacceptable to it, the Demos of the UK does not accept the loss self regulated sovereign powers to enable a remote political construct, is that so hard to understand?

  20. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Roy Jacobs, I don’t believe that Britain has lost its sovereignty. In the UK, our democracy is through our Parliament, which has approved each and every change to our membership of the EEC/EC/EU. Not once have any changes been forced through without the democratic consent of our Parliament. No country was made to join the EEC/EU and all countries are free to leave. As a democrat, I will accept the democratic decision of the people and now look forward to what will hopefully be an edifying debate followed by a referendum.

  21. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    Let me give you a very simple loss of sovereignty

    One of the pillars of our constitutional parliament is that no Government may bind the hand of the Government that follows it.

    It may of course pass legislation, which can in due course be repealed or amended. But, if a Government during discussions with the EU negotiates an opt out of a piece of legislation a subsequent Government may chose to opt in, Tony Blair did this in order to get major changes to CAP (how are these going by the way, it appears nothing has changed).

    Having opted in, a transfer of powers has occurred, and as I am sure you know these powers cannot be returned by the EU.

    Consequently, a Government has bound the hand of the Government that follows it. One of the issues that will be negotiated will be that an opt out retains an opt out option, regardless of whether a Government has chosen to opt in.

    Which throws up the one way flow of powers, a nonsensical situation.

    What the EU and those who support it need to understand is that the British Government are not going to be arriving at the negotiations with the aim of getting a few limp amendments to Benefits. The PM may have wanted that, in coalition he probably would have tried to do precisely that.
    However he is not in a coalition, so he is negotiating at the head of a government with a large and growing EU sceptic wing and representing their views.

    From what I see and read the Commission appears to completely misunderstand this, they are in for a surprise.

  22. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    Roy Jacobs, let’s see what happens with the negotiations. I believe Britain should stay in the European Union. I want to see the Conservative government achieve an equitable and achievable settlement with the EU and our European allies, and especially one that can be shown to be in the best interests of both this country and the rest of the EU.

  23. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    I want what is best for the Nations and citizens of Europe, not the institution of the EU, that is I suppose where we differ.

    As I predicted; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11594812/David-Cameron-launches-charm-offensive-to-head-off-Right-wing-rebel-Tory-MPs.html

  24. avatar Jon Danzig says:

    We both want the same: the best for the nations and citizens of Europe. Where we differ is that I believe this is what the European Union delivers. We are the EU; the EU is not some foreign institution separate from us. We fully participate in the EU and the democratic decisions that it takes.

    Can I suggest now that we give this debate at least a temporary break, as it’s clear we will have to agree to disagree on most matters related to the EU. It’s Sunday. Let’s observe a good old fashioned British tradition of having a break on the day of rest.

  25. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    Happy to do so Jon, have a great Sunday!

  26. avatar Roy jacobs says:

    “I understand there are flaws with the Union.”

    There’s a good title for your next essay, what are they?

  27. avatar Roy Jacobs says:

    “We both want the same: the best for the nations and citizens of Europe. Where we differ is that I believe this is what the European Union delivers.”

    Let’s run through what it has delivered.
    Sclerotic growth at best, recession at worst, depression in instances.
    Unemployment that never goes away, youth unemployment across swathes of Southern Europe not seen since the 1930′s.
    A currency supposed to have produced stability, limps like a zombie through the currency markets, bond yields fluctuating wildly across the Euro Zone, quantitative easing that it was assured would never be needed has been introduced.
    A rise in the type of extreme political parties not seen for decades within Europe, with popular support.
    A centralisation of power within an undemocratic grouping of political failures and nonentities, the disgrace that is the unelected commission.
    An avalanche of entirely unnecessary rulings, binding the hands of business.
    The most nonsensical, expensive, business crushing energy policy in the world, declared unilaterally, causing massive energy costs to citizens across European States and driving jobs and business out of Europe.
    Elected Governments replaced with unelected technocrats, without a single democratic vote.
    Referendums ignored, or forced to be repeated until the right result is given, under threat.
    Savings stolen from bank saving accounts to prop up private banks.
    It has been a disaster for the nation states and citizens of Europe.

    Apparently we get cheaper roaming rates on our mobile phones though, oh no, just checked, apparently not.

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